they will adopt whatever policies -- and they'll adapt to that environment. and also, keep in mind, 80% of most major corporations, their business is outside of north america. i'm worried about small business. i'm worried about mid-size businesses. i'm worried about the start-up businesses that say we are the engine of america. >> mm-hmm. >> you're putting this burden on us at a time where it's very difficult for us to compete in the marketplace let alone with incremental costs or uncertainty. >> so the president, congress faces a real challenge here and it's almost like you've got to thread the needle between -- >> yeah. >> ignoring the debt, which would cause the markets to rebel and moving too aggressively toward higher taxes and big spending cuts that will, again, dampen -- dampen the economy for the next year or two. we've got a difficult road ahead. >> it is a difficult road ahead. i guess my view is it's going to be difficult for them to come to a sort of grand bargain of the kind that we almost got year and a half ago. a deal that really looks ahead 1